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Hard News: Te Qaeda and the God Squad

The Dominion Post today covers yesterday's police raids in part by harking back 30 years, to the Full Gospel Mission -- better known as the "God Squad" -- the millenarian religious sect whose apparent stockpiling of weapons at a compound in Waipara was a huge news story in 1977. It's a story with lessons for all sides of our new controversy.

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noizyboy
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That indymedia site is great. I love this from "Michael de Angelo", channeling Rik from the Young Ones...

Its time to rise get off your asses and fight against the hitlers new regieme called the NZ Govt. The Gestapo (NZ Police) need to learn that we as the people of this land will not bow down to dictatorship nor to corruption of our rights. We will not lay down but we will fight for our freedom. All Power To The People.

Right on!

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BenWilson
Since: Nov 2006
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Heh, this story is big news for NZ. Which is one of the good things about NZ.

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Don Christie
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I find the political restraint shown by all parties (so far) is welcome. I wonder how this sort of event would play out elsewhere. Election year in Australia, for example.

Seems like a pretty sensitive issue to me.

Not read kiwiblog recently but I also wonder how the resident nut jobs there are feeling. I distinctly remember a post from Mr, Redbaiter calling for folks to take to the hills with guns and to defend their freedoms. Are they in all out support mode for those arrested?

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Russell Brown
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Not read kiwiblog recently but I also wonder how the resident nut jobs there are feeling. I distinctly remember a post from Mr, Redbaiter calling for folks to take to the hills with guns and to defend their freedoms. Are they in all out support mode for those arrested?

There did seem to be a few of them demanding to know what all the fuss was ...

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djb
Since: Dec 2006
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I think the sentiments on chilling out are probably a bit easier to make if you don't live in Ruatoki and have armed police searching your school buses... but I appreciate the historical background. We should be asking where the Weapons of Mass Destruction are though, all that's shown up so far is hunting gear.

Can't help but wonder whether the police were thinking that they needed a way to get back onto the front pages "protecting public safety" rather than for sexual assaults - nothing like public fear of Maori activists and "hippies" (as they were bizarrely described on RNZ) to help with that PR work.

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Stephen Judd
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On a pedantic note, isn't "sectarian" conflict between religious groups, or sects? Violence in Iraq is sectarian (Sunni vs Shia), violence in Northern Ireland is sectarian (Protestant vs Catholic), but I wouldn't characterise a struggle between Maori nationalists and the state as sectarian.

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Ben Austin
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It does seems a little otherworldly from afar, I wonder how long this will take to get play in the world newspapers, and if it makes the "oddly enough" or the real news section? My bet is I'll read about in the Guardian Saturday edition in a week or two. Title something along the lines of "trouble in paradise"

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Graeme Edgeler
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the Dom Post's story this morning points out ... but – without the powers conferred by the Terrorism Suppression Act, which only came into force in 2002...

Now, if only the Terrorism Suppression Act had actually created such powers...

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Russell Brown
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Now, if only the Terrorism Suppression Act had actually created such powers...

I wondered about that.

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Michael Fitzgerald
Since: May 2007
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Big ups to Sean Plunkett this morning.

Gotta say this shit scares me and I don't trust the cops have got it right.

Was it all to get the bill through parliment?

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George Pollard
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...this post from another forum...

Hey hey, credit where it’s due ;)

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Sonic
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I can sort of see the cops getting nervous about Maori activists clambering around the hills, and about some anarcho greenies planning to disrupt happy valley or whatever.

What escapes me is how these two divergent groups could be linked together. They do not seem like natural allies.

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Sonic
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First person bailed

"Judge Josephine Bouchier said that on the evidence before her at the moment, Lockett could not be considered to pose such a significant danger to the public that he should be in custody."


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10470129

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BenWilson
Since: Nov 2006
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For once, catching up on this on PA took longer than on Kiwiblog. For starters, most of the PA posts were worth reading. Kiwiblog threads on it so far are a parody of themselves.

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Andrew Paul Wood
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It made BBC World last night (insomnia you see). I think it's a little early to be passing sweeping judgments on who is right and who is wrong at this stage. From Auckland and Wellington I think it is very easy to dismiss out of hand some of the very intense feelings in the rural and provincial areas. Remember the Coelisi virus - that's serious organisation.

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Michael Fitzgerald
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Smack in the face for the cops - Lockett has got bailed.

He seems to be the one about to wage war on NZ

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George Darroch
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Correction due: the list of items in the scoop photograph linked to actually relates to an Auckland address - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0710/S00222.htm

My apologies for posting that pic to the system without providing the context!

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Alastair Jamieson
From: Auckland
Since: Jan 2007
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anarcho greenies planning to disrupt happy valley or whatever

Regardless of any anarchic tendencies, I don't think you could accuse the greenies of 'disrupting' Happy Valley, compared to Solid Energy's dismal scheme for the place...

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Stephen Judd
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The bit at the bottom of the Scoop article George Darroch linked to might explain the "peace activist" link.

One of the flatmates of the raided Symond’s St apartment, Gary Cranston, said that six police raided the house in the morning.

He also said that while he was not involved with planning the upcoming training camp in the past they have involved teaching campaigning skills, media skills and there have definitely been no weapons.

“We are peace activists,” he said.

If I were a committed peace activist maybe I would regard teaching non-violent techniques to other groups as a very proper thing to do.

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Che Tibby
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On a pedantic note, isn't "sectarian" conflict between religious groups, or sects? ...I wouldn't characterise a struggle between Maori nationalists and the state as sectarian.

a maori-state struggle isn't sectarian. you might be able to characterise it as "anti-colonial" or "revolutionary". semantics and pendantics are important in this kind of situation because they let you know who and why people are fighting.

but in graeme's defence, he was alluding to maori nationalists and something like aggrieved farmers.

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